paulus 26 Posted March 27, 2013 Report Share Posted March 27, 2013 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 6,174 Posted March 27, 2013 Report Share Posted March 27, 2013 That is great, good, true and something to try and live by, but I wonder how a refugee who has lost everything would feel upon reading that, or the girl who was killed by those dogs. Or anyone who is struggling to cope with their lives. I'm not religious in the slightest, but if I were, I'd definitely struggle to understand the injustices in this world. As it is I do wonder about 'fate', 'karma' etc. Taking a different tack: OK, for every positive in this world there has to be a negative, but with so many negatives that assault our senses 24/7 it sometimes makes me wonder how the hell there can be any positives at all! When I'm really feeling depressed I read the Positive News: http://www.dailygood.org/ Bit tacky in places, but it does give a reminder that not all is doom and gloom and awfulness. Take a tiny example though, of how to cope with things: my dog has just ripped up yet another floor mat: yes, this is true. What do I do? Scream and shout at the dog, who hangs its head and wonders why the hell I'm sounding off? Or simply pick up the bits of mat, tell myself off for letting a pup of 9 months loose in the house when it is bored rigid, and find something for the pup to do: in most cases, a good sized bone or chew to play with. Trouble is, whenever someone tries to show us a better/alternative way of dealing with life's problems, it often comes across as preaching or teaching. It's a fact that no one can learn anything unless they want to. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted March 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2013 That is great, good, true and something to try and live by, but I wonder how a refugee who has lost everything would feel upon reading that, or the girl who was killed by those dogs. Or anyone who is struggling to cope with their lives. I'm not religious in the slightest, but if I were, I'd definitely struggle to understand the injustices in this world. As it is I do wonder about 'fate', 'karma' etc. Taking a different tack: OK, for every positive in this world there has to be a negative, but with so many negatives that assault our senses 24/7 it sometimes makes me wonder how the hell there can be any positives at all! When I'm really feeling depressed I read the Positive News: http://www.dailygood.org/ Bit tacky in places, but it does give a reminder that not all is doom and gloom and awfulness. Take a tiny example though, of how to cope with things: my dog has just ripped up yet another floor mat: yes, this is true. What do I do? Scream and shout at the dog, who hangs its head and wonders why the hell I'm sounding off? Or simply pick up the bits of mat, tell myself off for letting a pup of 9 months loose in the house when it is bored rigid, and find something for the pup to do: in most cases, a good sized bone or chew to play with. Trouble is, whenever someone tries to show us a better/alternative way of dealing with life's problems, it often comes across as preaching or teaching. It's a fact that no one can learn anything unless they want to. Thats the point of the link and the rules this was taken from the knights templars code, a little more information The Mystic Connections of the Knights Templar The Grand Masters "...It would seem that Sion's Grand Mastership has recurrently shifted between two essentially distinct groups of individuals. On the one hand there are figures of monumental stature who - through esoterica, the arts or sciences - have produced some impact on Western tradition, history and culture. On the other hand, there are members of a specific and interlinked network of families - noble, and sometimes royal." - Baigent, Leigh and Lincoln, The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail "...The first Grand Master, the twelfth-century Norman knight Jean de Gisors, took the name Jean II and pose the question: 'Who, then was Jean I?' They offer a few suggestions - John the Baptist, John the Evangelist and John the Divine - before dropping the subject." - Lynn Picknett & Clive Prince, Turin Shroud - In Whose Image? The Shocking Truth Unveiled "This succession was clearly intended to imply an esoteric and Hermetic papacy based on John, in contrast (and perhaps opposition) to the exoteric one based on Peter." - Baigent, Leigh and Lincoln, The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail It has been alleged that Hughes de Payens, first Grand Master of the Knights Templar, had been inducted into the Johannites, a sect which chose John the Baptist as their prophet. According to the dossiers secrets, each of the alleged Grand Masters of the Prieure de Sion took the name Jean in succession (supposedly influencing the name chosen by Pope John XXIII). One of the Grand Masters on the list, Leonardo da Vinci, displayed a strong interest in John the Baptist. Another, Sir Isaac Newton, became preoccupied with the writings of the Apocalypse, then attributed to John the Evangelist. According to the dossiers secrets, the following individuals were amongst the Grand Masters: Rene d'Anjou (1418-) - a major impetus behind the Renaissance through his literacy and influence on Cosimo de'Medici setting up bastions of esoteric, Hermetic principles - the 'underground stream'. "Through his patronage of art, literature and the advancement of knowledge Rene is one of the most important figures of the formative years of the Renaissance....It was directly as a result of Rene's influence that Cosimo de Medici sent agents out to look for ancient texts, which resulted in the revival of Neoplatonic and Hermetic thought..." - Lynn Picknett & Clive Prince, Turin Shroud - In Whose Image? The Shocking Truth Unveiled Nicholas Flamel (1330-1418) - Most famous of the alchemists, "the Paris notary Nicolas Flamel...claimed that he dreamed of an occult book, subsequently found it, and succeeded in deciphering it with the aid of a Jewish scholar learned in the mystic Hebrew writings known as the Kabbala. In 1382 Flamel claimed to have succeeded in the 'Great Work' (gold making); certainly he became rich and made donations to churches." - Encyclopaedia Britannica "...One alchemical symbol that is widely acknowledged by modern scholars is that of an old bearded man, the back of whose head shows a young woman looking into a mirror. A statue with this image graces the exterior of Nantes cathedral, as does a bearded king with the body of a woman, in the porch at Chartres that depicts the Queen of Sheba." "The hermaphrodite is a pure alchemical symbol, representing the perfect balance achieved in the Great Work, and the perfect being, in which the alchemist himself is transformed and transmuted spiritually - and, as many believe, physically as well. It was a 'consummation devoutly to be wished' and had little, if anything, to do with sexuality as we understand it today. The Great Work was an explosion of the potential into the actual, where they mystical quest takes on concrete form. As the alchemists said, 'as above, so below' - this process was believed to make spirit into matter and transmute one sort of matter into another. It made a man into a god." - Lynn Picknett & Clive Prince, Turin Shroud - In Whose Image? The Shocking Truth Unveiled Revered by men like Newton, Flamel was the discoverer of The Sacred Book of Abraham the Jew, Prince, Priest, Levite, Astrologer and Philosopher to that Tribe of Jews who by the Wrath of God were Dispersed amongst the Gauls which became one of the most famous works in Western esoteric tradition. Sandro Filipepi (1483-1510) - better known as Botticelli, the renowned Renaissance painter. Leonardo da vinci (1510-19) - "Having little formal education, Leonardo enthusiastically accepted Nicholas's [of Cusa] new worldview [of an universe with no limits in space, no beginning or ending in time] as a justification for rejecting the outmoded authority of the 'Pharisees - the 'holy friars' and of his 'adversaries' Plato and Aristotole." "For the first time since the Ionians, he put forward a conception of science that was wholly secular, in no way based on religious doctrines or philosophy....In Leonardo the craftsman, scientist, and inventor are merged into one." - Eric Lerner, The Big Bang Never Happened "Leonardo was left-handed; he was a strict vegetarian; he dissected dead bodies, he sought the company of alchemists and necromancers; he worked on a Sunday and only attended Mass when at court." "The only surviving sculpture that involved Leonardo in its making is the statue of John the Baptist in the Baptistry in Florence, on which he collaborated with the utmost secrecy with Giovan Francesco Rustici, a known necromancer and alchemist. And Leonardo's last painting was 'John the Baptist', showing him with the same half-smile as 'The Mona Lisa', and pointing straight upwards with the index finger of his right hand. This in Leonardo's work is a sign always associated with John: in the 'Adoration of the Magi' a person stands by the elevated roots of a carob tree - John's tree, symbol of sacrificial blood - while making this gesture. In his famous cartoon of St. Anne the subject also does this, warning an oblivious Virgin...The disciple whose face is perhaps accusingly close to Jesus' in 'The Last Supper' is also making this gesture. All these gestures are saying 'remember John'." - Lynn Picknett & Clive Prince, Turin Shroud - In Whose Image? The Shocking Truth Unveiled Robert Fludd (1595-1637) - "inherited John Dee's mantle as England's leading exponent of esoteric thought" who consorted with Andrea, amongst others involved in the 'Rosicrucian' movement. "Historian Frances Yates, in her book The Rosicrucian Enlightenment, in a chapter entitled 'Rosicrucianism and Freemasonry', quotes one De Quincey, who states, 'Freemasonry is neither more nor less than Rosicrucianism as modified by those who transplanted it in England, whence it was re-exported to the other countries of Europe.' De Quincey states that Robert Fludd was the person most responsible for bringing Rosicrucianism to England and giving it its new name." - Gerry Rose ,"The Venetian Takeover of England and Its Creation of Freemasonry" Johann Valenin Andrea (1637-54) - "the creator of the semi-secret Christian unions and author of the Rosicrucian manifestos, a Hermetic allegory which also evokes resonances with the Grail Romances and the Knights Templar. At this time, with the eclipse of the House of Lorraine, the Priory transferred its allegiance to the more influential Stuarts after Frederick of the Palatinate married Elizabeth Stuart, daughter of James I of England. Frederick "created a culture, a 'Rosicrucian' state with its court cantered on Heidelberg." [Francis Yates] - Baigent & Leigh, The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail "Through the historical detective work of Frances Yates, we now know that this era was a time when many 'Rosicrucian' ideas were moving to the Continent, and esoteric thinkers were confluencing around Frederick, Elector of the Palatinate of Bohemia, as the figure who would usher in the reforms of Church and State many expected." - Steve Mizrach,"The Mysteries of Rennes-le-Chateau and the Prieure du Sion" Robert Boyle (1654-91) - part of the "Invisible College" of dynamic English and European minds which became the Royal Society after the restoration of the monarch in 1160 with the Stuart ruler, Charles II as its patron and sponsor. His two closest friends were Isaac Newton and John Locke who met regularly with him to study alchemical works. "In the ancient world alchemy was referred to simply as 'the sacred art'. It flourished in the first three centuries A.D. in Alexandria, where it was the combined product of glass and metal technology, a Hellenistic philosophy of the unity of all things through the four elements (earth, air, water, fire), and 'occult' religion and astrology....The essential principle was that all things, both animate and inanimate, were permeated by spirit, and that the substances of the lower world could, through a synthesis of chemical operations and imaginative reasoning, be transmuted into higher things of the spiritual world - things not subject to decay." - David Maybury-Lewis, Millenium "The central idea of Gnosticism is that the material of which 'soul and true being' is composed is trapped through a series of cosmic misfortunes in a low-level universe that is alien to it. And the alchemists literalized these ideas to suggest that the spirit could somehow be distilled or coaxed from the dense matrix of matter." - Terence McKenna, The Archaic Revival Isaac Newton (1691-1727) - "believed alchemy might enable human beings to shape and control the world by understanding and participating in its God-given vitality. He conducted alchemical experiments with great secrecy at Trinity College, Cambridge, working alone, even building his own furnaces without the aid of a bricklayer. He made a pact with the chemist John Boyle not to communicate their shared alchemical knowledge to others, because the 'subtle' and 'noble' powers of matter and the means of controlling them should be kept secret by those chosen by God to be entrusted with them." - David Maybury Lewis, Millenium "He had been obsessed...with the notion that a secret wisdom lay concealed within the pages of the Scriptures: Daniel of the Old Testament and John of the New particularly attracted him because 'the language of the prophetic writings was symbolic and hieroglyphical and their comprehension required a radically different method of interpretation'." "He had learned Hebrew to do the job properly and had then carried out a...meticulous exercise on the book of Ezekiel...to produce a painstaking reconstruction of the floor plan of the Temple of Solomon...He had been convinced that the great edifice built to house the Ark of the Covenant had been a kind of cryptogram of the universe; if he could decipher this cryptogram, he had believed, then he would know the mind of God." - Graham Hancock, The Sign and the Seal "Newton was not the first of the age of reason. He was the last of the magicians, the last of the Babylonians and Sumerians, the last great mind which looked out on the world with the same eyes as those who began to build our intellectual inheritance rather less than ten thousand years ago." Newton "saw the whole universe and all that is in it as a riddle, as a secret which could be read by applying pure thought to certain evidence, certain mystic clues which God had hid about the world to allow a sort of philosopher's treasure hunt to the esoteric brotherhood. He believed that these clues were to be found partly in the evidence of the heavens and in the constitution of elements, but also partly in certain papers and traditions handed down by the brethren in an unbroken chain back to the original cryptic revelation." - John Maynard Keynes, Newton the Man "Just as the world was created from dark chaos through the bringing forth of the light and through the separation of the aery firmament and of the waters from the earth, so our work brings forth the beginning out of black chaos and its first matter through the separation of the elements and the illumination of matter." - Sir Isaac Newton Charles Radclyffe (1727-46) - personal secretary to Bonnie Prince Charlie; promulgated, if not devised the "Scottish [BANNED TEXT]" Freemasonry. Radclyffe worked through Chevalier Andrew Ramsay, a member of a quasi Masonic, quasi-"Rosicrucian" society called the Philadelphians. Ramsay, a close friend of Isaac Newton, was prominent in disseminating Freemasonry to the continent. Charles de Lorraine (1746-) - the brother of Francois, Duke of Lorraine who was the Holy Roman emperor who married Maria Theresa of Austria in 1735. The first European prince to become a mason, Francois' court at Vienna became Europe's Masonic capital. Charles Nodier (1801-44) - the flamboyant mentor for an entire generation including young Victor Hugo, Balzac, Dalcroix, Dumas pere, Lamartine, Musset, Theophile Gautier, Gerard de Nerval and Alfred de Vigny - all who drew upon esoteric and Hermetic tradition. "Around 1793 he created another group - or perhaps an inner circle of the first [the Philadephes]- which included one of the subsequent plotters against Napoleon." - William T. Still, New World Order Victor Hugo (1844-85) "prophesied that in the Twentieth Century, war would die, frontier boundaries would die, dogma would die...and Man would live. 'He will possess something higher than these...a great country, the Whole Earth...and a great hope, the Whole Heaven'." - Marilyn Ferguson, The Aquarian Conspiracy Claude Debussy (1885-1918)- an integral member of the symbolist circles which included Oscar Wilde, W. B. Yeats, Stefan George, Paul Valery, the young Andre Gide and Marcel Proust. He also consorted with the Marquis Stanislas de Guaita, founder of the so-called Cabalistic Order of the Rose-Croix, and Jules Boise, a notorious Satanist who prompted MacGregor Mathers to found the Order of the Golden Dawn. Jean Cocteau (1918-) - an associate of Jacques Maritain and Andre Malraux, he was made a Chevalier of the Legion of Honor (for his quiet work in the Resistance?). Although associated with royalist Catholic circles, Cocteau's Catholicism was highly unorthodox and his redecorations of churches reflected Rosicrucian themes. - List from Baigent & Leigh, The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LaraCroft 863 Posted March 27, 2013 Report Share Posted March 27, 2013 Very true. Funny how so many of them are already "sayings" and things/ideas/beliefs people used to live by, that seem to have been forgotten ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stabba 10,745 Posted March 27, 2013 Report Share Posted March 27, 2013 Tbh it did my head tryin to figure out the tune ...then it twigged ..i feel better now Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TOPPER 1,809 Posted March 27, 2013 Report Share Posted March 27, 2013 paul you have to much time on your hands mate 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted March 27, 2013 Report Share Posted March 27, 2013 Tbh it did my head tryin to figure out the tune ...then it twigged ..i feel better now Tuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuune!!!... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tinytiger 875 Posted March 27, 2013 Report Share Posted March 27, 2013 Maybe (Taoist story) There is a Taoist story of an old farmer who had worked his crops for many years. One day his horse ran away. Upon hearing the news, his neighbors came to visit. "Such bad luck," they said sympathetically. "Maybe," the farmer replied. The next morning the horse returned, bringing with it three other wild horses. "How wonderful," the neighbors exclaimed. "Maybe," replied the old man. The following day, his son tried to ride one of the untamed horses, was thrown, and broke his leg. The neighbors again came to offer their sympathy on his misfortune. "Maybe," answered the farmer. The day after, military officials came to the village to draft young men into the army. Seeing that the son's leg was broken, they passed him by. The neighbors congratulated the farmer on how well things had turned out. "Maybe," said the farmer 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 51,164 Posted March 27, 2013 Report Share Posted March 27, 2013 6 & 7 are bang on Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dytkos 17,982 Posted March 27, 2013 Report Share Posted March 27, 2013 Heavy, even for you Paulus, but interesting all the same Cheers, D. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted March 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2013 Heavy, even for you Paulus, but interesting all the same Cheers, D. what you trying to say :laugh: "Yet ’midst her towering fanes in ruin laid, The pilgrim saint his murmuring vespers paid; ’Twas his to mount the tufted rocks, and rove The chequer’d twilight of the olive-grove: ’Twas his to bend beneath the sacred gloom, And wear with many a kiss Messiah's tomb." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dytkos 17,982 Posted March 27, 2013 Report Share Posted March 27, 2013 Heavy, even for you Paulus, but interesting all the same Cheers, D. what you trying to say :laugh: "Yet ’midst her towering fanes in ruin laid, The pilgrim saint his murmuring vespers paid; ’Twas his to mount the tufted rocks, and rove The chequer’d twilight of the olive-grove: ’Twas his to bend beneath the sacred gloom, And wear with many a kiss Messiah's tomb." WTFs that all about? Cheers, D. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted March 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2013 >WTFs that all about? Heavy, even for you Paulus, but interesting all the same Cheers, D. what you trying to say :laugh: "Yet ’midst her towering fanes in ruin laid, The pilgrim saint his murmuring vespers paid; ’Twas his to mount the tufted rocks, and rove The chequer’d twilight of the olive-grove: ’Twas his to bend beneath the sacred gloom, And wear with many a kiss Messiah's tomb." and you ask me that :laugh: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dytkos 17,982 Posted March 27, 2013 Report Share Posted March 27, 2013 Soz PC (or me) playing up Whats the text mean (I meant) Cheers, D. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
coley_airgunner 14 Posted March 27, 2013 Report Share Posted March 27, 2013 Just reminded me of that sunblock song Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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